From: Integral World Sent: woensdag 6 maart 2013 17:06 To: Frank Visser Subject: Wilber Cohen Dialogue Newsletter Nr. 437 Amsterdam, March 6th, 2013 Since this one has gone viral I might as well send it to the rest of us: THE MOST IMPORTANT CONVERSATION OF OUR TIME! - A Ken Wilber / Andrew Cohen Dialogue - Barry McGuinness I used to be a great fan of Ken Wilber's. His synthesis of multiple perspectives on psychology, spirituality and consciousness was right up my street. A number of things, however, have given me reason to adopt a slightly more critical stance to his work. I could and maybe should write a whole article explaining what I mean, but for now let me just point out a few things.... But that's what inspired me to write my own parody, which appears below. (Note that if you're not familiar with the Wilber/Cohen dialogues, it will probably make no sense whatsoever.) I mean no disrespect to either of these two wise and very spiritual men. I do, however, think they deserve a gentle poke in the ribs. I also think it's generally a good idea not to take ourselves too seriously. Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/mcguinness1.html HIGHER WORLDS: Can Integral Theorists be "Integral" without Correcting Misinterpretations on this? - Giorgio Piacenza Cabrera I agree and think it is important to seriously include and expand on the "three bodies" as Barclay points out in order to understand in a more complete way what NON DUALITY is. Without embracing all of the Kosmos we are lying to ourselves. However I would like to add that, while FROM the PHYSICAL PERSPECTIVE it is correct to say that that "point of super space" lies dormant, we must consider the reciprocal: FROM ITS OWN VANTAGE POINT it is active. Also, from the physical perspective (unless experienced in the ‘present’ of experiential consciousness) it is POTENTIAL. But from its own perspective it is ACTUAL. In other words, when interaction happens it is actual, when it doesn’t it is potential and consciousness is not just the metaphorical “space” where things happen and perspectives can be embraced/taken; it is what allows actualization because (as some medievalists might agree) in its essence it is Pure Actuality. Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/piacenza26.html To SUBSCRIBE to this Integral World Newsletter or change your email address, click here: http://www.integralworld.net/pommo/user/subscribe.php To UNSUBSCRIBE, update your account by logging in. For explanation, see: http://www.integralworld.net/nl_faq.html