From: Integral World [frank.visser@eurorscg.nl] Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2006 0:04 To: f.visser3@chello.nl Subject: [personal] An Intellectual Tragedy: Meyerhoff replies to Wilber INTEGRAL WORLD MAILING LIST =========================== http://www.integralworld.net Newsletter Nr. 157 Amsterdam, July 11, 2006 AN 'INTELLECTUAL TRAGEDY': REPLY TO KEN WILBER'S “WHAT WE ARE, THAT WE SEE” In his typical style of calm and restrained reasoning, Meyerhoff adds his voice to the choir that followed Wilber's blog postings. "Amid the intended hullabaloo surrounding Ken Wilber's blog entry entitled “What We Are, That We See,” most of the commentary has ignored the substantive responses to criticisms that Wilber makes. The subtitle of the entry states, in part, that it is a “Response to Some Recent Criticism” and a prefatory note advised us that “the content” and “ideas” should be taken “seriously.” The critics go largely unnamed, but several of the rebuttals appear to be part of Wilber's promised response to my “Six Criticisms of Wilber's Integral Theory” which is a summary of some central points of my book Bald Ambition. This is my response to Wilber." Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/meyerhoff5.html THE WILBERIAN PARADIGM: A FOURFOLD CRITIQUE Alan Kazlev continues his Series on a larger view of the integral with part 2. "The first part provides an historical and comparative overview of the concept of “Integral” in the context of spiritual philosophy, with especially emphasis on a comparison and contrast between Sri Aurobindo and Wilber. The second part presents a fourfold critique of Wilberian theory, on the basis of (a) Physicalism or the denial of supra-physical realities , (b) Non-Integral or abusive Spirituality, (c) the overmentalisation of Wilber's personality and hence of his Integral Theory, and (d) Cultic tendencies currently emerging within the Wilberian Integral movement, and the resulting oppression of free intellectual discourse." Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/kazlev2.html HOLONS WITHIN, HOLONS WITHOUT Andy Smith has commented on the "Ken Responds to Recent Critics: Mark Edwards, Jeff Meyerhofff and Others" PDF that has attracted some attention -- again most of the comments were related to the way it went public, not to it's content. Over the years, Smith has been a constant source of reflection on Wilber's concepts. "Many people may wonder whether these points are worth arguing over. Wilber's four quadrants, as used as a TFA or “lens” by Edwards, do have some value in classifying and perhaps understanding phenomena. Though this system is riddled with inconsistencies, particularly in the relationship of individual to social, these inconsistencies are clearest on lower, non-human levels of existence, that neither Edwards, nor it seems much of anyone else except me, carefully examines." Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/smith24.html If you know other people interested in this IW Newsletter, please forward this mail to them. Thanks. To SUBSCRIBE to this Integral World Newsletter or change your email address, click here: http://www.integralworld.net/index.html?newsletter.html To go to the Newsletter Archive, click here: http://www.integralworld.net/index.html?newsletter.html To UNSUBSCRIBE from this Integral World Newsletter, click here: http://frank.e-marketing.eurorscg.net/afmelden.php?a=aa&e=f.visser3@chello.nl&id=3272&m=14 ======================================== Frank Visser, Waterpoortweg 279, 1051 pv, Amsterdam Author of: Ken Wilber: Thought as Passion SUNY 2003 Read all about Ken Wilber : http://www.integralworld.net ========================================