From: Integral World [frank.visser@eurorscg.nl] Sent: vrijdag 15 september 2006 0:04 To: f.visser3@chello.nl Subject: [personal] Dismissal vs. Debate INTEGRAL WORLD MAILING LIST =========================== http://www.integralworld.net Newsletter Nr. 164 Amsterdam, September 15, 2006 WILBER WATCH BLOG: http://wilberwatch.blogspot.com/ NEW ESSAY ========= DISMISSAL VS. DEBATE - A REPLY TO KEN WILBER'S AUDIO REBUTTAL Jeff Meyerhoff sent me his thoughtful response to Wilber's audio tape "Ken Responds to Recent Critics", demonstrating the dismissive nature of integral discourse when it comes to critics: "Ken Wilber released an audio “conversation” – actually a monologue - with Sean Hargens on his website as a reply to my critique of his work which I entitled “Six Criticisms of Wilber's Integral Theory.” His reply has at least two purposes. The ostensive purpose is a rebuttal to my criticisms. The unacknowledged, but main, purpose is to disparage and dismiss my critique so others don't take it seriously. I will respond to what little intellectual rebuttal Wilber offers, but because that part of his monologue is subordinate to its main purpose, I will also describe and analyze how the main purpose is pursued. The cost to the integrity of the intellectual rebuttal by the larger objective of having his audience dismiss my work will be obvious. The most substantive part of his reply goes beyond my critique and answers some criticisms he's received from others regarding his use of evolutionary biology. By closely examining his sources and others, I demonstrate the fundamental problems for his integral theory that a confrontation with Darwin and evolutionary biology presents." Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/meyerhoff6.html FROM THE ARCHIVE ================ THE PROS AND CONS OF PRONOUNS In July 2003, right after Wilber's online publication of his Excerpt C: The Ways We are in this Together" Andy Smith wrote a fictitional conversation about Wilber's new theory of perspectives. "The following is an email dialogue I recently had with an acquaintance of mine. For those of you who wonder if this acquaintance is a real person, I can only say that according to Ken Wilber, he can’t be. We will see, in the course of this dialogue, why Wilber believes that, and even more provocatively, why Wilber himself may not be real. I will refer to this acquaintance simply as He." Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/smith19.html And on the same topic: THROUGH AQAL EYES, PART 7 - I AND ME AND WE AND US AND YOU AND YOUS "Ken Wilber continues to develop Integral theory in important and highly original ways. His introduction of holonic perspectives is yet another big milestone in the growth of the theory. While there are many innovative aspects to Wilber's current work on social perspectives, I believe that his I-We-It-Its model has deep-seated flaws that can be traced back to some fundamental inconsistencies in conceptualisations of the holon construct." Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/edwards11.html RECENT SITE ADDITIONS: 09/11/06: Ray Harris' essay "The Temenos System" has been added to the Reading Room. 09/11/06: Elliot Benjamin's essay "Integral Psychology And An Artistic View Of Mental Disturbance" has been added to the Reading Room. 08/29/06: Mushin Schilling's essay "Transforming Spirituality: Moving Beyond the Patriarchal Temptation" has been added to the Reading Room. 08/23/06: A German translation by Hape Lin of Ray Harris' essay "Christianity: The Great Lie" has been added to the German Section. RSS FEEDS AVAILABLE At long last, Integral World now has RSS functionality too, so you can get notified automatically of the latest updates. Just paste the URL http://www.integralworld.net/iw-rss.xml in your favorite RSS Feed reader! Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/rss.html If you know other people interested in this IW Newsletter, please forward this mail to them. Thanks. To SUBSCRIBE to this Integral World Newsletter or change your email address, click here: http://www.integralworld.net/index.html?newsletter.html To go to the Newsletter Archive, click here: http://www.integralworld.net/index.html?newsletter.html To UNSUBSCRIBE from this Integral World Newsletter, click here: http://frank.e-marketing.eurorscg.net/afmelden.php?a=aa&e=f.visser3@chello.nl&id=3272&m=23 ======================================== Frank Visser, Waterpoortweg 279, 1051 pv, Amsterdam Author of: Ken Wilber: Thought as Passion SUNY 2003 Read all about Ken Wilber : http://www.integralworld.net ========================================